Sam Harris is wrong.

Written by in News, Opinion, Politics at September 26, 2012

“This is already an old and boring story about old, boring, and deadly ideas.” — Sam Harris

A few weeks ago, I wrote a piece critiquing the tendency of the atheist community to analyze the nature and impact of religion through the exceptionally narrow lense of truth claims and discreet ideas. I summarized my position at one point by arguing that ideas, in and of themselves, have far less agency than atheists usually assume they do. Just as important as the contents of a certain idea is the social, economic and political context which gives rise to it. Atheists tend to ignore these, instead preferring to compose arguments which presume the dominance of ideas, and consequently often end up producing analyses of situations that they have less than stellar understandings of.

And then last week, along came Sam Harris, with this gem of an example of just what I was trying to argue against. Energized by the recent attacks and murders at US Embassies, Harris composed a stirring call for moral clarity – of the sort that comes only in shades of black and white.

Before I get going with what is wrong with Harris’s rhetoric and assumptions, let me state unequivocally that I agree with him completely on the issue of free speech – all nations which claim to value freedom of speech should not engage in any kind of censorship to appease anyone, be they Islamic radicalists or outraged conservative evangelicals or overly sensitive identity-politics laden liberals. Insofar as the liberals Harris criticizes really were recommending restriction of freedom of speech (enforced either through the government or social pressure), to address the problem of radical Islamic terrorism and, more broadly, Muslim alienation, they are wrong. First, it is unethical. Second, it would not work anyway. So let’s make it clear that we agree on that and move on from there.

However, I take serious issue with almost everything else about Harris’s approach to this question.

In a very long post on the threat the radical Islamic world poses to the the secular (mostly Western) world, Sam Harris gives no credit to any political, social or economic issue in the regions where radical Islam is a problem. He does not mention Arab spring, he only mentions the legacy of imperialism to dismiss the idea that it matters, he does not mention constant social strife and conflict, he does not mention economic exploitation. The radical Muslims of Sam Harris’s imagination exist in a vacuum, serving only as vectors for ideas – horrible, corrupt ideas which have filled them with pre-modern superstition and primitive ferocity. If you ask him how they got that way, he would point a finger only at the Koran, and especially particular passages in the Koran. There you go!, he says, throwing his hands up. What more do you need? Barbaric ideas lead to barbarians. D-Huh.

His position is summed up clearly: “Religion only works as a pretext for political violence because many millions of people actually believe what they say they believe: that imaginary crimes like blasphemy and apostasy are killing offenses.” It is unfortunate for Sam Harris that almost every single scholar informed about social dynamics anywhere, not only the Middle East, would disagree with Harris’s assessment of this chicken and egg question. Historians, sociologists, political scientists, and anthropologists alike – none of them proscribe the overwhelming power to ideas that Harris does. Ideas – good and bad, true and false – are made thinkable and believable by the surrounding social reality, and although once given life, they are flexible and durable, they cannot fully infect people unless they are already vulnerable for a host of other reasons.

But try to intervene in Harris’s logic – start to say something like, “Well it’s really more complex than that,” or “Why is it that so many other of the world’s millions of Muslims are not violent?” and the response, more or less, will be “Well!, do you really think they would be doing this if it were not for Islam? Ask them why they say they are doing it, they say it’s all for the glory of Allah!” or “All those seemingly-peaceful Muslims still swear they believe the Koran is the literal word of God; so really, how can we really rest easy knowing all those crazy people are out there?” In Harris’s world, historical evidence counts for little; cultural analyses almost nothing. He appears to believe that people do things exactly for the reasons they say they do things, understand perfectly their own motivations, and were led to their path by nothing other than bad ideas poured into their heads at one point or another. They are not products of their particular place in historical time and space; they do not feel the pressures, consciously and subconsciously, of the social, political and economic struggles which surround them. That couldn’t possibly feed into interpreting a Koran passage this way or that way, right? It couldn’t possibly suggest that we should reconsider, as I originally suggested, whether or not this belief in the literal truth of things is as important to most religious believers as Harris declares it is. And really, why ask these questions, when what the Koran says is so obviously bad that anyone desiring to have a more complex understanding of how those ideas work in a complex world can be written off as moral cowardly, or compromising, or deluded by political correctness or even worse, post-modernism?

Again, Harris has acknowledged time to time that these other factors may be important – but not as important as the ideas, he insists. Which is odd, since those ideas – at least Islam itself, and all its diverse variations – is a factor spread out all over the globe. And yet we don’t see this kind of violence occurring at equal rates all over the globe – radical Islam, and radical Islam that becomes violent, is weirdly prevalent or originating in certain places and pockets in particular. Well, I wonder why that could be! Odd, isn’t it, that the dynamics of whence it came usually always trace back to places plagued by social conflict and inequality? Could it possibly be that Islamic terrorism has less to do with a pre-modern people ruining the party for the rest of us awesomely rational people and more to do with the history of social conflict and oppression in the Middle East? And then do you think it possible that when you take populations vulnerable in such a manner, they could possibly gravitate towards absolutist interpretations of religion as a way to feel empowered and cope with the chaos and alienation around them? Perhaps?

But this is all going too far, because now I am talking about these people far too much as if they were actual human beings – but as all of us tutored by Sam Harris know, they are much better understood as “barbarians at the gates.” And it is exactly fitting that this is where the black and white world of Sam Harris has led us to. Because if the ideas in the Koran are evil, then the people who believe it to be true and become very agitated when someone or something says otherwise must be evil too. And indeed, radical Islamists have committed unspeakably immoral acts – there isn’t even a need to list them, we are all so familiar. It is clearly wrong to murder people in the name of anything, imaginary God or no. It is clearly wrong to become violent because someone has offended you, even if they have done so on what you consider to be the most profound level.

But what Sam Harris does not help us understand very much is how we got here – why these dynamics keep playing out as they do. Instead, he engages in a textbook case of otherizing, subtle only to people not trained to spot it. (Which is, unfortunately, most of us.) He paints a picture of Good People versus Bad People – the Bad, Crazy, Pre-Modern people want to enforce their world view on the rest of us, and, apparently, are winning. Harris does not attempt to be very specific about who these people are; indeed, they could be everywhere, for all we know. “Some percentage of the world’s Muslims – ” he writes, “Five percent? Fifteen? Fifty? It’s not yet clear – is demanding that all non-Muslims conform to the strictures of Islamic law.” Therefore, really most Muslims are in some sense suspect – you just can’t trust those people, you know. (Just like you can’t trust a pinko; any shade of Red is the same as a Stalinist commie, after all.) Meanwhile, the Good, Secular, Rational people of the world have played no historical role in any of this – they have no idea how those Bad, Crazy people got so bad and crazy – after all, we’ve just been minding our own business running our countries full of secular bliss, right? It’s not as if US policy itself for the past 70 years or so has anything to do with any of the frustration or instability that has been plaguing the Middle East. It is not as if our intelligence agency helped to install, for example, a dictator in Iran after a democratically elected leader we didn’t like had come to power. So we are all innocents here, and those people – those others – their response is beyond the pale of predictable human fallibility when placed in a pressure cooker.

Let’s be clear – I am not blaming the United States for all and any of the problems in “the Muslim world” – itself a problematic phrase because nothing so monolithic or simplistic exists. We are partly responsible, yes, but the situation is even more complex than that – and complexity is really the theme I am arguing for here. There has been tremendous domestic oppression, as well, and a host of historical dynamics with deep roots in many different directions which had led to the situation we see today. The content of the ideas of Islam is one of those – I am not arguing the flip side of Harris’s position and claiming that Islam plays no role at all. But the analysis of Sam Harris acknowledges nothing but the role of Islam; and because of this, he talks with the simplistic moralism of the crusader – the kind of short-sighted conviction that could lead one, perhaps, to argue that discriminating against Muslims in airport security is a-okay.

And that previous manifestation of the World as Discerned by Sam Harris is a good example of what has, very unfortunately, become a common approach for him – making confident analyses of dynamics which in fact he does not understand very well. Even when, for example, Bruce Schneier explained to him, extensively and exhaustively, why his instincts about how security screening works are wrong – that aside from any ethical question, targeting Muslims would not actually make us safer – Harris incredulously replied that surely his common sense couldn’t be that far off the mark. So here we have the spectacle of an atheist – one who prides himself on tirelessly pointing out to religious believers that what seems self-evident to them isn’t necessarily so – refusing to digest the evidence of an expert on a certain question and just insisting that this seems quite self-evidently correct to him. And for some reason, I think his response to an expert on the Middle East and radical Muslim groups would be much the same – they could lecture him all day about the complexities of the matter, they could patiently explain that actually, most people do not understand fully their own motives, or how all human beings are at least partially products of the structural realities of their society — but at the end of the lesson, he would stare back, blink, and say, “No but really, have you actually read the Koran?”

Discussion

joel mendez

yes. he is wrong. and so are you. how awesome is that?

Nick

Nice Robin. I half-expected this retort from you. As a lifelong atheist, I’m surprised I’ve only newly discovered Sam Harris. So what’s the deal? Do we like Sam Harris? Do we not like Sam Harris? Is he the Bill O’ Reilly of the atheist world?

I read his blog post on the 19th, and for some reason it left a bad taste in my mouth. I now know why thanks to your articulate roasting above.

Colin Wright

I completely agree with you on this Robin. I find myself more and more disagreeing with Sam on issues regarding Muslims and terrorism in general. I think he really needs to keep to the realm of atheism (insofar as he argues against the notion of God), science, and philosophy. In these areas he is, to me, a shining gem of rationality. But he certainly does have a blind spot with Muslims and terrorism.

Robin Marie

I can only assume that he has next to zero familiarity with what has basically been mainstream social science for the past 70 years or so — except for probably coming into contact with the more ridiculous of the post-modernists, leading him to clump structural analysis in the same category as relativistic nonsense. A common mistake, unfortunately.

Al

Also, consider Harris’ comments on the ‘Ground Zero Mosque’ about the right to offend: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/08/13/ground-zero-mosque.html

and his comments about Wikileaks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdGeBG8Iphg

Harris is not the advocate of free speech he pretends to be.

Al

“I think his response to an expert on the Middle East and radical Muslim groups would be much the same – they could lecture him all day about the complexities of the matter, they could patiently explain that actually, most people do not understand fully their own motives, or how all human beings are at least partially products of the structural realities of their society — but at the end of the lesson, he would stare back, blink, and say, “No but really, have you actually read the Koran?”

He did this very thing in his discussions with Scott Atran.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VWO6U6248c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu6qQDphSGU&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRKbBsl6KaQ&feature=relmfu

There was a rumour that Harris was going to debate Robert Pape on suicide bombing. This, so far, has not happened and I think Pape realised that it would have been a waste of time.

Mike

Wait a minute, wait a minute….I’m missing the last paragraph: The one that says, “Of course, I am a product of my conditioning too. I’m a white, middle-class, echo-gen, well-educated American who loves “The Wire,” which means you can take MY deeply held beliefs and condescendingly say ‘No, silly, you don’t Actually believe that, independent of conditions. You’re the poster child for your demographic. We can predict what you believe with some accuracy, and we’re here to tell you that to prioritize what you Think you believe by consequences of said beliefs would be to not grasp the complexity of the situation.’”And that I think the last line probably says “So take what I say as someone who also doesn’t understand her own motivations.”

Robin Marie

I’m glad you brought this up, Mike. Because you’re right — I am very much a product of my demographics, and in fact, much of my world view *can* be predicted (at least to be more likely to lean in one direction or another), on the basis of my status as an upper middle-class, white, educated female who also values intellectual ability as a key component of her identity. I do not for once second flatter myself to think I have come to the conclusions I have purely because I was born into the world with a love for truth, and I would have come to the same conclusions no matter what social situation I happened to fall into upon birth.

Of course, the problem them becomes, as you pointed out, how do we make any claims about the actual validity, or truth, of our ideas if we also claim that we are at least partially products of our social circumstances? And that’s where that key phrase “at least” comes into play, and again where we need to think about this as a messy matter, and not a simplistic one. Have I arrived at where I am today at least in part, and possibly to a great degree, because of my surrounding social conditions? Yes. But that does that mean I have to dive completely into relativism? No - because the best way to still be sure you really think what you think, even if your social position played a large role in introducing you to those ideas, is to always remember that you *do* have middle-class bias, or white bias, or any other kind of tendency which tends to go along with a certain social status. Only by constantly interrogating yourself in this manner can you come to be really confident that despite these conditioning factors, you are still sticking by what your conclusions are as actually True, even if the process by which you came to embrace them was not always simply a matter of “mind meets reality and objectively discerns it.”

And I take it for granted that most of us at most times probably do not fully understand our own motivations — including me. But again, all you can do is do your best to be aware of the situation as best as you can, and often, over time, you realize things about your perspective and biases that you did not before. As long as you realize you are human, you can also improve upon the matter.

Mike

Hey. I know. And it’s not that I think you haven’t done this. But it bears mentioning that so many progressives fall in line with this Got Nuance trope that simplicity is sacrilege, especially if the situation involves exotic locales and/or brown people. They don’t want to believe a problem could be as it appears to be, everything else being equal. Whether you’re right or wrong, this is an issue.

To believe that Islam is the problem, or the main problem, or the first problem to address means that you have a knee jerk intolerance for any who practices their faith is a canard. Am I obligated to say that I’ve lived with two dozen Ahmadi Muslims for a year and consider some of them to be the most important people in my life to feel less self conscious kicking their faith in the nuts? Can’t it be possible to both love the beauty of their prayer recitation and to also find their faith horrible for human health, or even more, to admit you find their faith horrible for human health to your otherwise like minded liberal friends?

In John Power’s review of Rushdie’s memoir, he talks about attending a lecture entitled “Should Salman Rushdie be killed?” at the Royal Albert Hall in 1989. He spoke to young Muslim’s of Pakistani orgins who “couldn’t have been more Westernized” in their Air Jordans, listening to Public Enemy, and they answer, in their East London accents, without pause, “Yes, of course he should be killed.” I’m sorry but I just can’t help but to think that there is something wrong with this faith that has not been humbled by genuine reformations, that has not transcended its “terrible teen” years and happens to be going through the worst of it while nuclear weapons and wealth gaps fan the flames. Something distinct from the social, economic, political tripod. Ok, maybe not the social part so much. Bipod it is.

But more to your thing: What sucks is that Sam Harris should know what you’re talking about, being a Buddha dude, which has as its core tenet the No Self Exists Outside of Conditions paradigm. It should not be lost on him that myriad factors predict behavior and I find it difficult (not impossible) to believe that he’s discounted these other factors. I find some boilerplate Liberals being attached to their ideas of themselves as Open Minded and averse to admitting that lowest common denominators mean something, easier to believe.

Where a solution lies, I’m not even remotely qualified to speculate. But I do get the sense that this displeasure you have for Reliance on Ideas is only countered with more Ideas. Ones that say, “Hey you guys over there trying to take a step forward? No, no, no. I’m going to need you to take three steps back. Thanks.”

(fyi: you guys are my favorite podcast and you’re my favorite one on the damn thing, also including your blogs and stuff. So. Yup.)

Francesca Langer

The Bible and the Koran are pretty comparable to each other in terms of violent content. If it were really all about the doctrine itself, wouldn’t we expect to see a lot more Christian terrorism?

Also, I think, its worth pointing out that the kind of Islamic fundamentalism we are seeing today is not some medieval remnant, but actually a recent phenomenon. Look at Afghanistan half a century ago. It was must more secular than it is now. Something changed, and it was not the text of the Koran.

Mike

Yeah, you’re right, Bagdad once being the cultural center of the world and all.

But there was a period where we did have unchecked Christian terrorism. What checked it (in part) was the Reformation and ultimately, secularization. This is missing now, today, in Islam. Silver bullet? No. Even realistic? Hell no. But modernity and increased GDP doesn’t seem to be the silver bullet either.

Also, Islam is about 600 years younger than Christianity. Neither faith was powerfully large scale destructive in their early years. Both made indispensable contributions to art/lit/science directly b/c of the faith. Both made contributions to large scale suffering directly b/c of Faith. Islam just happens to be doing it now…with nukes available.

Robin

I’m with you until the very end of this article where you say “here we have the spectacle of an atheist.” The entire article you were critiquing his view of the basis for radical Islamic violence and then at the end you seem to suggest that all atheists think that way.

@Mike: Thanks for this thoughtful reply. In terms of your example of having Muslim friends but abhorring the principles of their religion (and some of its consequences as well for sure), I don’t think this is impossible to do. Indeed the very fact that you are distinguishing between your friends as human beings and the religion they believe seems to me to be exactly what Harris is dangerously close to giving up on altogether. When you describe people as barbarians — and you do so in a way that makes clear you are not sure how many people fall into this category, it might be 50 percent of Muslims for all we know! — you are replacing a picture of complex human beings stuck in complex situations with a picture of vilified others. The fact that it is messier than all this — a lot more messy — is exactly the conflict Harris does *not* seem willing to engage, because as far as he is concerned Islam always adds up to evil. Which perhaps explains why he thinks its power is so independently overwhelming. (Part I, I can’t figure out this new comments system…)

Part II: As for those Westernized fundamentalists, I’m not an expert, but I agree, I would love to know more because it does seem odd and it is frustrating. I would agree with you that the social context is, obviously, still there, and, something has clearly gone quite wrong in terms of the evolution of Islam, a religion not without a tradition of loving knowledge, science and rationality. But precisely because there is this tradition, that tells us something else than passages in the Koran is behind all this. (I would also add that a distinction Harris never makes when citing frighteningly high rates of literal belief in violent Koran passages even in more stable countries is that there is quite a difference from saying you agree with something and actually carrying it out — Christian Fundies in the US, who claim that the Bible is inerrant but refrain from stoning their pregnant teenage daughters, is a good example.)

Part III: And yes of course, on the most basic level I am opposing Harris’s ideas about ideas with my own ideas about ideas. But of course, I think I’m right; ie I think my ideas correspond better to reality, as anyone engaged in argument about anything does. I also agree that liberals often place “open-mindness” and a desire to avoid offending anyone at the top of their priority lists and this both distorts their thinking and sometimes, in certain situations, stagnates progress. Luckily I identify as a leftist and not a liberal so I feel no need to defend the awesomness of liberal discourse in general :) . Anyways, thanks again.

@Robin: No no, sorry that was the opposite of my intent — at least I hope so as I am an atheist! — my point was that since Harris is an atheist, *he should know better.* Most of us at least strive to question our assumptions and take empirical evidence seriously. But Harris seems to be giving up on this idea, at least in concern to this question.

Rick

Where Sam Harris is narrow-minded due to his anger and wrong about what Islam is about is this: The majority of Muslims in North America are for peace and when they read the Koran interpret passages as peaceful ones, and those with evil intent abroad like in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, whereever, those with evil intent simply use the Koran and twist the peaceful passages into evil ones which you can do with almost any passage in any bible or text book. Sam Harris confuses not only culture as being religion, which its not, but thinks that the extremists reflect the true intent of what the Koran exerts. Sam is not bright here due to his anger. He should look at all the peaceful Muslims in North America and realize or suggest to himself that ‘they’ are the ones who reflect the true intent of what the Koran exerts. Sam Harris, listen to me, there is no problem with Islam, there is only a problem with the evil-hearted extremists who use the Koran and twist meanings to suit their diabolical goals. The Koran, like the Bible, may be filled with stories of slavery, murder, harsh things, but the Koran is not the religion of Islam. The Koran is merely a collection of a combination of stories, missing work due to political interest 2000 years ago, and exertions of what the religion of Islam should be. If you look at the Koran as a whole, you won’t get to the truth of what the religion of Islam is. So bottom line Sam, Islam is not what the extremists claim. Look to the peaceful Muslims in North America, as to what Islam truly is. Which is only about peace. And likely, you will have to see out those Muslims who do not adorn the beard and white robes, but those who match normal society. Not that those types aren’t peaceful, but the majority of non-stubborn, peaceful and non-tainted-by-righteous-family-upbringing Muslims more so rests with the ones whom you can barely identify as Muslims, except perhaps they may be brown-skinned. Islam is not what extremists or those in Britain even, reflect - Its what North American Muslims reflect. Sam Harris is right about almost everything in my opinion, except his understanding that the true nature of extremists is not the true nature of Islam.

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