Some empathy and intellect, please.

Written by in News, Opinion, Politics at July 10, 2011

As the token woman at An American Atheist, I feel obligated to respond to the recent controversy about Rebecca Watson’s recent experience at an atheist conference and Richard Dawkins’ response. I am also happy to do so, as I do identify myself as a feminist.

If you are not familiar with the basic outline, you might want to familiarize yourself with Watson’s original video and PZ Myers’ reply to Dawkins. But basically, Watson recounted her experience of being propositioned in an elevator at a conference, and made what I think is a pretty mild comment about it:

Um, just a word to wise here, guys…uh, don’t do that. You know, I don’t really know how else to explain how this makes me incredibly uncomfortable, but I’ll just sort of lay it out that I was a single woman, you know, in a foreign country, at 4:00 am, in a hotel elevator, with you, just you, and—don’t invite me back to your hotel room right after I finish talking about how it creeps me out and makes me uncomfortable when men sexualize me in that manner.

Now, you can disagree with Watson about whether or not she interpreted this event correctly – many bloggers sympathetic to her have already pointed out that of course, this guy could have had innocent or “romantic” intentions. Yet of course, none of us were there and it is hard to capture a creepy affect and awkward atmosphere in a retelling. However, I am not of the opinion that when it comes to questions of sexism, the woman’s interpretation is automatically the correct one – I know that women are as capable of misunderstanding as men.

But here’s the thing. Watson’s comment, whatever you happen to think about it, was hardly hysterical, was not even approaching bombastic or dramatic. It was merely a comment on an incident which, while unpleasant, she never characterizes as horribly traumatizing. This is why I was very disappointed to read Dawkins’ sarcastic reply, which went as follows:

Dear Muslima

Stop whining, will you. Yes, yes, I know you had your genitals mutilated with a razor blade, and . . . yawn . . . don’t tell me yet again, I know you aren’t allowed to drive a car, and you can’t leave the house without a male relative, and your husband is allowed to beat you, and you’ll be stoned to death if you commit adultery. But stop whining, will you. Think of the suffering your poor American sisters have to put up with.

Only this week I heard of one, she calls herself Skep”chick”, and do you know what happened to her? A man in a hotel elevator invited her back to his room for coffee. I am not exaggerating. He really did. He invited her back to his room for coffee. Of course she said no, and of course he didn’t lay a finger on her, but even so . . .

And you, Muslima, think you have misogyny to complain about! For goodness sake grow up, or at least grow a thicker skin.

Richard

Dawkins went on to the make a second and third reply to critics, only digging himself into a bigger hole of cluelessness. But here is my problem with this – there was absolutely no reason for Dawkins to respond with belittling sarcasm.* By doing so, he continued a great tradition in the history of sexism that ridicules women for complaining at all. In this case, Dawkins did so by the classic move of comparing Watson’s experience to the objectively much worse experience of someone else, thus arguing that she had no grounds on which to recount her experience or to suggest that men should refrain from such behavior.

That was uncalled for. Again, it is not that I object to anyone arguing that Watson’s interpretation would not have been their own. But there is a difference between disagreeing with someone’s opinion and belittling them with condescension. What Dawkins did was essentially to dismiss Watson’s feelings about the matter, and then to ridicule her for even bringing them up. When men (and sometimes women!) behave like this – especially men that should know better – and then wonder what women are talking about when we bring up feminism and sexism, it displays an astounding lack of empathy.

And by empathy, I do not necessarily imply sympathy, a sharing of sentiment about Watson’s feelings. I simply mean the intellectual capacity to grasp the situation and position of someone else, therefore gaining the capacity to understand how – even if you still view their response as unreasonable – they could have had such a response. But Dawkins’ explicitly denies that Watson had any reason under the sun to feel uncomfortable – and this seems particularly absurd considering that he had just been sitting next to Watson while she talked about women in the atheist movement. During this panel, Watson discussed getting lewd e-mails from admirers and threats of rape from her opponents. After the presentation, she spent some time in the evening talking with other participants about these very issues – and it was in this context that the man in question decided to invite her back up to his room. This strikes me as somewhat like going to a conference about racism, and then making a subtle racist joke to surrounding participants. No wonder women occasionally doubt whether or not men are actually listening to them, and worry instead that they are merely looking at them.

Now, perhaps this man had perfectly good intentions. It is quite possible. But one thing that can be said for him is that he was at least clueless, and had very little excuse to be so. Being clueless is not the worst thing in the world; indeed shocked laughter is a possible response to this story. But as others have pointed out, a situation like this comes with a huge amount of background and context that someone like Dawkins clearly cannot, apparently, wrap his mind around. That isn’t just “insensitive” but stupid – and Dawkins’ multiple replies display a disappointing lack of intellectual seriousness on the part of someone who certainly has the intelligence to make a better effort.

However, I am not personally shocked that Dawkins behaved like this, and this lack of surprise makes me perhaps less angry than some other feminists in the atheist community. Therefore to place so much emphasis on how Dawkins acted like a jerk seems like a very mistaken and ineffective approach to me – because feminism becomes most misunderstood by the general public when it gets sidetracked into debating how sexist a particular person is or isn’t. This convinces almost no one and makes people who might otherwise be open to listening defensive. So rather than fixate on how Dawkins behaved, I think it would be better to talk about how all of us are impacted by sexism, and to show a certain amount of patience towards those who do not seem to “get it” by extending our intellectual empathy to them as well. I hope we can have this conversation, because as this incident and many others like it have displayed, sexism is an issue the atheist community needs to confront.

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* An objection might be made here that atheists participate in this kind of ridicule all the time of religious people – should we stop? Well, I think it is worth noting that as the atheist community has grown bigger and progressively more serious about what we are doing and what we are about, the strategy of ridicule has dropped off a decent amount; and indeed, while I myself admit to enjoying the humor of ridicule, I don’t find it the most interesting, productive, or compassionate way to go about making our argument against religion.

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Comments for this entry

Maria

Thank you. Just thank you.
Also posting to BlagHag.

joe mendez

i read your post on GC’s blog. wow. that was the best white privilege apologia i’ve ever seen. and i’ve read quite a few. so…”There is a difference between behaving in a sexist way and being such a douchebag that we can label you a sexist in your entirety”. thanks. well yes. and that’s what racists say to justify their racism.

you just don’t get it, do you? whatever else you might want to believe, literally, by definition, rebecca watson’s comment about ‘guys’, as if we’re some monolithic entity with no differences worth mentioning, was, and remains, again, no matter how you try to spin your way out of it, A STEREOTYPE.

why should I not then, and even more justifiably so, fear every single white person i encounter? there are more colored people in prison than whites, colored people are more likely to receive lower wages, be treated like criminals, have less access to competent legal representation, and across the board fare less well in american society than whites.

you’re imprisoning us for crimes that you yourselves are seldom imprisoned for. you are. until now the president has always been white. most of congress? white. most state legislatures? white. you, personally, individually are responsible for over 500 years of human rights abuses against ALL of MY PEOPLE. hitler? white. Stalin? white. C’mon! Jim Crow, Japanese internment, the tuskeegee experiments, kkk lynchings, cross burnings, church bombings that kill OUR little girls. official police fire hosing, and dog attacks, segregation….i mean, the list is long and illustrious, isn’t it?

David Duke. Strom Thurmond-who was a long time racist and was in the senate till his death at 100. YOUR PEOPLE, AND YOU PERSONALLY, HAVE SYSTEMATICALLY SLAUGHTERED, ENSLAVED, IMPRISONED, TERRORIZED, RAPED, DEMEANED, LEGALLY OPPRESSED, MALIGNED, CARICATURED, AND OTHERWISE MISTREATED MINE. FOR OVER 500 YEARS.

TELL ME! TELL ME WHY I SHOULD NOT HATE YOU!! YOU ARE WHITE. YOU ARE ONE OF “THEM”. AN OPPRESSOR. A HATE MONGERING RACIST…..

oh…right, you’re not. you “happen” to be white. it’s coincidental. i get it. i shouldn’t hate you, i shouldn’t despise you because you aren’t Hitler, you aren’t Stalin, you didn’t enact legislation to intern people of japanese descent against their will. oh…maybe i shouldn’t judge you by the actions of members of your racial group?

i wonder how that would work between men and women…..hmmmm…..oh, right. THEN it’s OK!

Hitch

I like the idea of empathy. And yes I empathize that being approached by a stranger late night in an elevator is uncomfortable/creepy. I’m glad nothing worse came of it and it seems the guy was despite the inconsideration decent enough.

Now, are we actually going to be empathic? Or is this selective empathy?

I have plenty of grievances that are like this or worse. My experience is that noone gives a crap. My feelings are completely dismissable, a waste of time, not worth considering, or worse just “privilege”. When are we going to be empathic to everybody’s experience? How about the guys who take the nth rejection in stride and feeling bad after because they didn’t want to make anyone uncomfortable? Empathy? Or the guy who got yet another “you creep” stare? Any problem?

I think so, but what I have learned so far is that empathy for everybody is hard to come by. Some feelings, some grievances, some discomfort or fears is not considered, and to voice it rather than conjure empathy as it should be conjures insults and attacks.

So yes, I’m for an empathic world. I think we have a long way to go, and we’ll have to learn to listen to everybody, and figure out why they say what they say. And not just assume, brand, label or project.

Robin Marie

I’m not quite sure I follow your argument here. I completely agree we shouldn’t judge people according to what race or sex they are. My only point was that when people feel they *are* being equated with the worst of their group - Hitler or a rapist or what have you - they become defensive, and no one is ever open or calm when they are defensive. But the way we talk about sexism tends to be in absolutes; you’re either a sexist pig or you’re totally immune to how gender is constructed in this society. I think that is a false dichotomy. That is all.

Now, some people are more sexist (or racist, or whatever) than others. For sure. Some people are in fact, racists or sexists. Quite a lot actually. But I think we can discern a Strom Thurmond (good example: was a racist), or a man who thinks women should only be there to pump out babies and cook dinner, from the more contradicted, conflicted average American (or in this case, Englishman). Now one might say they are one and the same, and all these quibbles are excuses for bad behavior. But the thrust of my argument is that they are not; that is not to say they do not have their sexist impulses and feelings. They certainly do. But they also have impulses that run in the other direction. They are contradictory. That’s how most human beings are; you can judge them as you like for it, but that seems to be the situation “on the ground,” to me, and that was all I was pointing out.

As for whether Watson grouped all “guys” together, I really don’t see how she did so. But we don’t agree on that, and I don’t think we will. And I’m not really concerned too much with what Watson did or did not say; the debate swirling around it reveals a lot more, I think, than anything Watson ever said. And that was kind of Greta’s argument as well.

Robin Marie

The above comment was directed to Joe, by the way.

Finch

Discrediting what makes someone else uncomfortable is pretty unacceptable.

As for her address to men in general, I don’t feel that was wrong. She wasn’t stereotyping, she was being efficient. Men don’t always know when they are creepy. A majority of the male population spends significant time hoping someone will ask them back to their room at 4am for “coffee” so occasionally we assume everyone does. She was simply getting the attention, and addressing the group of people most likely to benefit from her comment. Those of us who already know that this is creepy, can simply sit back smugly and think “yea, I wouldn’t do that because it’s creepy”

What was she supposed to say “hey sleazy dudes…”

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